Dr. Jeff Spencer: Ultimate Goal Setting | E179
Dr. Jeff Spencer: Ultimate Goal Setting | E179
Do you set goals and struggle to achieve them? Today’s guest, Dr. Jeff Spencer has the solution. Jeff is a former Olympian, renowned chiropractor, and one of the world’s leading experts on elite performance who has spent decades working with leading athletes and business leaders to set and accomplish their goals. With Jeff’s Champion’s Blueprint, you can choose the R.I.G.H.T goals and reach your highest potential. In this episode, Hala and Jeff chat about why success is both a path and a process, what is a R.I.G.H.T goal, the importance of knowing our blindspots, the stages of performance, and the Champion’s Blueprint.
– Jeff’s personal journey
– Lessons from the tragic story of his father
– What he learned as an olympian and how that crosses over into business
– What qualities he looks for in his clients
– Why success is both a path and a process
– The Champion’s Blueprint
– Why mind/body soul need to be aligned with goals
– What is a R.I.G.H.T goal?
– Peripheral vision and the importance of knowing our blindspots
– What questions should we ask ourselves to determine the risks?
– How do people blow it?
– Why thinking about your legacy is important
– The story of Jeff’s daughter, Kin
– How to take inventory of resources before starting a goal
– The stages of performance
– Is every goal possible with the right preparation and plan?
– Jeff’s actionable advice
– Jeff’s secret to profiting in life
– And other topics..
Dr. Jeff Spencer is a former Olympian, team member of eight Tours de France, renowned chiropractor, international lecturer, and Life Coach. Jeff is one of the world’s leading experts on elite performance and has worked with athletes, leaders, and CEOs including Tiger Woods, Richard Branson, Vice Admiral David H. Buss, and dozens of others.
Jeff is also an author of several books including his most recent, Turn It Up! How to Perform at Your Best for a Lifetime.
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[00:00:00] Hala: Hey, Jeff, welcome to young and profiting podcast. Well,
[00:00:03] Dr. Jeff Spencer: thank you. What a pleasure to be here.
[00:00:05] Hala: I am so excited for this conversation. You are a former Olympian and over the course of the last 40 years, you have coached, mentored and been the Cornerman to some of the world's highest achievers in business sports and athletics.
You've coached many of the former guests that I've had on the show like Dave Asbury, Chris Vos, Jim quick, just to name a few, and I do wanna get into the tools and the tricks of the trade that you use to help winners get to the top and stay on.
But before we do that, I did wanna learn more about your personal.
So let's go back to when you were seven years old, you had a natural talent for riding a bike, and you knew you were gonna be an Olympian. And by age 11, you made a deal with yourself that you would work for the next 10 years to accomplish the goal of being an Olympic cyclist. You ended up achieving your goal at age 21 when you competed in the 1972 Olympics, but it was totally against all the odds because you grew up pretty poor and most Olympic athletes have financial support to fund their.
So take us back to your teenage years. What were you like? How did you stay on track with your lofty goal and what inspiring stories can you share about accomplishing your Olympic goals?
[00:01:09] Dr. Jeff Spencer: Well, first and foremost, I got the self start, gene. I, I don't need any motivation whatsoever. I just get up and I make things happen and I show up every day and I faithfully execute the one or two things that have to go right to move me forward.
And that's the way that I've always done it and it's always served me really well. So that would be first and foremost, you know, the other side of this as well is that I had three amazing angels in my life that made up for the lack of, uh, mentorship that I got at home because my father was virtually a non entity as was, uh, my mother.
They certainly didn't get in my way, but they were not there to support me. So I was really lucky. I had an amazing cycling coach that actually chose me to be able to train with his group. Olympic, uh, champions and world champions. And I was like 11 and they were like in their mid to late twenties. I mean, they were the top of the, the pile and he said winning is to learn skill.
And I want to teach you that skill. And I want you to be around the conversation you need to listen to now. So, you know exactly what it's like, and if you have it within you to be able to become this, then our conversation will awaken something that's already within you to be able to make that happen.
Which did, uh, 10 years later, I just had amazing mentorship and I had people say the right thing at the right time to naturally harness my abilities, to be able to manifest that, uh, first and foremost goal of mine. That's
[00:02:28] Hala: super cool. Why do you think they saw so much pot potential on you? I mean, you were just 11 years old.
Did you have great natural ability? Was it just your mindset? Why did they take a liking to you? You think?
[00:02:39] Dr. Jeff Spencer: I, I think it was everything actually, cuz I was a self starter. I'd show up on time. I didn't need to be told anything. I would always show up, you know, well prepared. I would work really hard. I would ask really good questions.
I was always respectful of the opportunities in front of me. You know, also I did have the physical ability to do this. There has to be a blend of mentality. Being able to stand in front of leadership, to be able to take constructive criticism and advice, to be a student of the discipline. All, all of those things I, I naturally had and that, uh, endeared them, uh, to me to be able to share with me what the secrets that they used to become the standout performance that they were.
And I deeply appreciate their acknowledgement of that within.
[00:03:20] Hala: I read that your dad was a genius that died homeless on the streets of New York city.
And the last time you ever saw him was when you were 13 years old. So you guys obviously had a totally different type of life and made different decisions and choices. So talk to us about your father what did you learn from his story and how did you then apply that in your life?
[00:03:42] Dr. Jeff Spencer: Well the time, I mean, it's always a tragedy when you have a genius that can't manifest their genius and lives, the life of desperation and dies, really being a statistic and an example of what you should ever be and what you should never emulate. I mean, that's tragic in and of itself. And certainly a great loss to me is, well, but the real take home from this is that he was missing two things.
Number one, He did not have a roadmap that showed him where he was and what that meant and what to do to be able to move forward towards next. And if we don't have. That roadmap in, we don't have the second part of this, the sound council that can help us interpret the reality of what it is that we're facing and considering, because a lot of the things that we believe to be true aren't and we can't make them take us to where we wanna get to by design.
They can't do that inherently. Anyhow. So therefore, two things there has to be sound counsel in your life that can help shortcut your learning curve to eliminate the risk of, uh, succumbing to preventable problems. But also having a state of readiness to recognize and seize opportunities that could exponentially catapult us towards our bigger future.
And then there also, again, there needs to be a roadmap that can identify where we are in process so that we don't misinterpret things as being something that they're not. So for example, any highly aspirational goal, there's always a segment in the pursuit of that goal. I call the daily grind. It's gonna be really hard.
Mm-hmm you may actually find yourself wanting to quit and you may actually unfortunately talk yourself into it one step before you have your breakthrough. But if we think that there's not supposed to be hard, because it means that there's something wrong with us, that we couldn't make right decisions, or we chose it on the other side, that's complete mythology, but, but we wouldn't know that unless we had someone that really knew what the process was because.
Human mindset. Those things that naturally occur to us to be true. It is not always our best friend, because it does oftentimes talk us into doing things based upon what we presume it to be when it's actually not that discredit us, discredits us, that actually talks ourselves out of performing and play in the game that we're capable of.
He was missing those two.
[00:05:58] Hala: Yeah, today you are one of the most prominent mentors in the world. So you've coached greats like tiger woods, Richard Branson,
what is the crossover between what you learned as an Olympian and business, which is what you focus on a lot.
Now you have
[00:06:12] Dr. Jeff Spencer: to be your own champion of both of those in becoming your own champion. It's the presence of being, it's not a technical difference. So whether it's locker room or board room, There are technical differences, but yet the us, the champion that needs to show up and make really good decisions consistently to make sure that we get ourselves into the winter circle.
That remains consistent. So I don't see that there's any distinction whatsoever. Like for example, I don't know what pencil sharpener to use, but we can find an expert to tell us that, but I can tell you about you, the leader of your own life CEO of you, Inc, what it is that you need to do and how you need to show up to be able to manifest the things that have to go right for you to be able to evolve, uh, into and demonstrate and manifest your talents and create the legacy that you're capable of creating.
do you look for certain qualities in your clients? Like you were just mentioning how you were a self starter since you were young. I am the same way. There's different personality types. There's people that need like accountability and, and there's people who can self start.
[00:07:12] Hala: So are there specific qualities that you look for in the people that you
[00:07:16] Dr. Jeff Spencer: mentor a hundred percent, you have to be coachable. You have to show up on time. That has to be your natural set point. You need to be able to. Do things that are unconventional, you have to learn to transcend your fear and the beliefs that you have that are no longer serving you.
Well, you have to be a really great teammate. You have to be fearless about investing in yourself and your bigger future. And you have to have a certain amount of, uh, innate talent as well. And you have to be able to hold reality is preeminent, rather than trying to tell yourself the stories that you want to.
You need to be able to look at what reality really is. And with all of those elements that I just, uh, described to you there, if a person has those, then it's only a matter of time before they manifest whatever the goals that they have for themselves.
[00:08:02] Hala: Yeah, I love this. This is such a great transition into your Champion's blueprint. So I wanna read a quote that really parlays well into what you just said. So you've said in the past that success doesn't come from will talent or tactics. The winners know something that everyone else doesn't they've discovered that success is both a path and a process.
So I thought this would be a great place to start. Why is success both a path and a process?
[00:08:26] Dr. Jeff Spencer: Well, it's actually it's learn behavior. And all of the prolific achievers of, uh, history have always taught us what to do when, if we're a good observer, what that is. And many times what they're suggesting is contrarian to pop culture.
So for example, in pop culture, it's like, well, just get started, fail fast. Well, I'm not so sure you wanna do that. I think there needs to be a basis of readiness that's appropriate that reduces the risk of a premature stall, because I mean, if you fail too fast, too early, you may think you're not capable of doing it.
It's just that you were too quick to make a judgment on something that wasn't true.
And so the Champion's golden rule is do the homework and the test is easy. Meaning that first you prepare and then you perform most people are dismal about their preparation. They start way too fast, way too unprepared that sets themselves up for unnecessary failure or, or lack of confidence in self.
So I feel first and foremost, we have to recognize the fact. Anytime we have a, an ambition of any sort, the first thing you always wanna make sure that you do is prepare well don't kid yourself. the way that I see it with history is revealed is that there's five important steps that we should go through to make sure that we're properly prepared before we even start pursuing the goal, which would be the second half of that.
[00:09:40] Hala: Yeah you have this famous framework, it's called champions blueprint. and it's broken down into two parts, which you sort of alluded to preparation and performance.
You talked about the golden rule for super prepare. Then you perform.
Is there anything you wanna mention at a high level before we talk about your takeaways in terms of preparation versus performance?
[00:10:00] Dr. Jeff Spencer: If you wanna be a prolific achiever and consistently achieve your highest goals. You absolutely have to follow that rule because if you cannot follow that rule, then just prepare yourself to take 10 times as long to get to where you want to get to. If you get there at all, it just isn't gonna happen.
in terms of the preparation section of your blueprint framework, the first step is to clarify goals that align with your body, mind, and soul. So I thought this was super interest and unique because I've never heard anyone bring in the soul and spirituality when it comes to goals. And I talk about goals all the time on the podcast.
[00:10:33] Hala: So let's start there. Why do we need to make sure that our mind, body and soul is aligned with our. When
[00:10:40] Dr. Jeff Spencer: you have that alignment, then you have a unification self. As you as an entity that has a level of belief and confidence that you absolutely must have to be able to be confident in pursuing the goals that are in front of you.
And if you do not have that alignment, you are always gonna be second guessing yourself. And if you're second guessing yourself, you're gonna be reluctant to make decisions promptly and accurately. You're going to shy away from going all in when you need to go all. You're not gonna be conveying to other people, a presence of being where they believe that you're worthy of following or supporting to manifest your bigger future.
None of that is gonna happen because that is the byproduct of making sure that we have the most important goal of all time. It's not the smart goal. It's not the big Harry audacious goal. Do we have the right goal. And when we do have the right goal, and there's a very specific criteria that I use with my clients, that's very vigorous that allows us to look at number one.
Is this the right goal for me at this time? Yes or no, if it's not, then you maybe don't wanna pursue it because the timing may not be correct. So I just cannot. Emphasize enough, the importance of making sure that you select the right goal, because when you select the right goal and you have that unification mind, body, and soul, it gives you what I call the trademark word.
Go kind of a funny word, but go means goal focus, meaning that you have the ability to focus on the things that must go right to move your, uh, goal, from where you are to where you want to get to. There must be daily progress. Through that level of focus, but then you must also have a peripheral awareness of what's happening around you, because you may be gifted with a better idea to adjust a trajectory of your goal, to a bigger, better that can be gifted to your, uh, consciousness.
But if you're too hyperfocused on the action steps, you may miss that. And also in the periphery, this is where blindside start to form that could wipe us off the face of the earth or create an untimely stall. That may end up in our inability to manifest the goal that we're in pursuit of. So there has to be this continuous unique blend of goal focused to get stuff done with a simultaneous peripheral awareness of better options and risks that we should be avoiding.
[00:13:00] Hala: Yeah. You mentioned this very lightly, this concept of the right goals. So a lot of us have heard of these like smart goals, but you say you have a different framework for goals. It's called the right goals. It actually stands for some things. Can you break down what a right goal is?
[00:13:16] Dr. Jeff Spencer: Yeah, well, the right goal is a goal that aligns the mind, body and soul because it exposed itself to a variety of different questions that should be asked and answered in the affirmative.
If it's the right goal to, uh, pursue, there's all sorts of smart goals that you shouldn't be pursuing, actually. So the R right stance for relevant, you really need to take the time to ask yourself, is this goal really relevant to me? And, and why is it relevant? And put the pin to the paper to be able to create a body of evidence as to why this is relevant, because the relevancy.
Creates a certain level of personal commitment and insistence that you do achieve the goal. If you have confirmed it to be relevant, the next thing is, uh, indicators the I, and right as indicators, there must be adequate indicators there that assure you that the goal again is worth pursuing indicators.
Like, do I get enough notoriety coming back from this? Does this give me. Enough credibility. Does this provide the income that I need for me to be able to pursue this? So there's a number of indicators that we do need to name that we do need to hold accountability for. Because again, when we have vetted this through a, a purposeful process, then it allows us to have a different type of relationship to our goal.
I think people have way too casual, a relationship with their goal. They're not in love with it. They're not gonna fight for it. Like they really should. The G and right. Stands for gravity. I mean, what is the emotional gravity and grit that the achievement of this goal avails you of? What are you gonna say about yourself once you've achieved this goal?
Are you gonna have a greater trust in your ability to be a manifestor of what your talents are and your ability to contribute to humanity? Well, if it brings that level of gravity and it gives you that type of grant, well, I certainly think that it's a goal worth pursuing the H in right. Stands for humanity.
I think personally that our goals need to have a big slice of humanity attached to it. Like how is this actually impacting people, places and things on this planet, because if that isn't answered in the informative. Then we just kind of don't have that level of commitment. That's necessary to stay in the game and keep pushing when the goal gets tough and every goal is gonna get.
There have to be certain things that are there that allow us to stay in the game to move beyond that. And that's why the idea of grit is extremely important. The H is and humanity, why humanity is really important. And then the T and right, is time. Is this the right time to be pursuing the goal? Yes or no.
Do you actually have the time to pursue the goal? Yes. Or. Does the timeframe where you are to goal completion, suit your sensibility? Yes or no. And if you've deliberately taken the time to scrutinize the goal that you're proposing to pursue through that line of questioning, and you've answered this in the affirmative, then you have a level of commitment within self that will absolutely 100% guarantee that you will find yourself in that winter circle.
[00:16:18] Hala: I really like that framework because I feel like it, it really makes sure that you stay motivated. You kind of cross off anything that could deter you or could cause you to quit or something midway. So I think that is a great framework to follow.
you were mentioning how you need to have peripheral vision.
You need to be aware of your surroundings. You need to be aware of the different risks that are going on. So talk to us about the importance of knowing the risks or potential blind spots associated with our
[00:16:45] Dr. Jeff Spencer: goals.
Well, the blind spots are things that we cannot outrun and every one of us has got 'em. I can only tell you that.
And that's why I feel like there's an important space to be held for some Cornerman. Type of, uh, accessibility to make sure that we're seeing everything that we need to see without the presumption that we know everything, because that's a catastrophic perspective that unfortunately is, uh, taken a lot of people, unfortunately, out of the game that they could have won had they had the insight to see what their liabilities and their risks are.
And a point I wanna make here is.
No prolific achiever in any discipline does not look at it through the eyes of what can go, right? What can go wrong? What are the probabilities? And there's a certain category of person that feels well. You know, if I cast doubt on this, then I'm, I'm drawing doubt into reality.
And therefore I'm short cutting myself when I should not be thinking about anything that could be adversarial to me in this process. And I could tell you that is absolutely unadulterated garbage. I don't know anybody. That's a prolific achiever that does not always take a full and thorough inventory of what the probability of, of risks are so that they leverage themselves against success.
They don't deleverage themselves in favor of failure. I've never seen that complete mythology.
[00:18:07] Hala: Yeah. It's interesting that you say that because like you said, some people think that they can only think positive and if they go and think about the different ways that things could go wrong, they think that that's negative thinking, but that's really just preparing.
And it doesn't mean that you are a negative thinker. It just means that you're preparing ahead and. You can be positive because you're thinking of the solutions ahead of time. So that if you hit that obstacle in the moment, you'll know what to do. Can you talk to us more about that? About what kind of mindset you need to have through all of this and how thinking of potential risk is not actually negative thinking?
[00:18:42] Dr. Jeff Spencer: I would first, I would say let's not use the word mindset because mindset makes it sound like there's a rigid set of things that have applied guarantee an outcome. That's not true. That's like, oh, I'll just think good thoughts. And somehow everything will backfill and manifest. That's not true. It's all about actions and the things that are done.
So I kind of look at this through the eyes of the Champion's mind, the mind is like a three-dimensional entity that has the capacity to look at think evaluate collate, uh, transmit, share, and store information in a very thoughtful way that represents reality.
And that's the way that all the prolific achievers do it. the way that I advance things forward is not a way of thinking. We're taking action on the evidence that we see in front of us. That history has informed us that if we execute this, then it will take us here. I think that's the most important thing.
We begin to forget that aspirational achievement, it's actually a verb. It's not a passive noun. It's a presence of being, it's the actions that are taken, therefore. I just suggest that we take the time to really look at the relevance and the sources that we refer to to get our information about what it is that we should be doing.
Because many times what we think it is is not what it is at all, but it sounds good to our human mindset. It's touchy feeling nice, but historically it can't necessarily deliver on what we hope it to be.
I feel it's really important that we have. The right level of, uh, Cornerman influence as we're learning the process of achievement, which is actually it's, it's a learned skill.
[00:20:22] Dr. Jeff Spencer: It's not something that we're born with.
[00:20:24] Hala: Yeah. So as we're trying to determine all the different risks with our goals, what are the questions that we should ask ourselves or ask our mentors in order to find out what those risks could possibly be?
[00:20:35] Dr. Jeff Spencer: I think there's a, a set of things that we should be looking.
Number one, given an opportunity you have to look at well, how are you perceiving the opportunity? Are you looking at it based upon what you believe you stand to lose? Well, and if that's the way you're doing it, don't do it because that's not gonna take you to where you wanna get to. There has to be a vision of what.
The outcome of the manifest goal will represent to not only us, the individual, but to our legacy and also what this will say and mean to other people viewing it. And what the impact on humanity in the planet at large will have. I do feel that we need to look at that. In advance to measure the probability of how that might be answered with our achieved goal.
I think that that's really important. The other thing I would say is that don't try to be perfect. Perfect. Doesn't get you to where you want to get to because then you're obsessing and all the things that could go wrong, where it shouldn't be that you should be looking at the one or two things that have to go right.
To keep things moving forward. I mean, that's what the champions do. They prepare, what do I need to do right now? That has to go right? That everything else is dependent upon. So it becomes much simpler. I think the idea of fear also is another side to this. I mean, people think, well, I have to be fear free before I get started.
Well, no, you don't. I mean, generally anybody that has high aspirations is gonna have a certain level of fear. Like, you know, when I work with you two, before they go on stage, I mean, yeah. They all had butterflies. It's like, well, look, Bonnie, you don't need to have butterflies cuz you're bono. Well, he did have.
Okay, well, he just knew what to do with it. It was a sign of biologic readiness. So a lot of how we're interpreting our experience and my, my experience is that it's it. It's not done correctly. So yeah, we should be observant of the fear, but recognizes our friend to be able to put in our highest level of, you know, physical output.
There has to be a certain level of, of fear present. Otherwise we're gonna be asleep at the wheel, but we should also realize that you can apply what has to go, right. Despite your fear. Again, that's another, uh, point of mythology that I think that is, uh, really important to, to be mindful of as well. Yeah.
[00:22:42] Hala: So we're talking a lot about being prepared and let's say we do all the things that you mentioned. We have really clear goals. We take a look at the different risks and the blind spots, and we feel very prepared. What are the ways that some people blow it in their big moment, in that moment of reality, where they should have done what they've prepared for, but maybe they go with their gut instinct or something.
[00:23:03] Dr. Jeff Spencer: Yeah, well that, I think you said it right. They go with their gut. They let their emotions take over. So they go back and they do it didn't work the previous 10 times because they get afraid about executing. What has to go? Right. I see this all the time. As a matter of fact, I have a, a white paper that I did when people go to my website to opt in, it's called how not to blow it just before you win.
It's a 27 page document that I put together because it's that important to me. They start to change everything. Before they execute what has to go, right? So again, I feel like this can be pruned back to the simplicity of, do you know exactly the one or two things that have to go right, like right now for everything else to be able to move forward.
And if you can name those two things and you know what those things are, then as you execute those, then the next things that need to be addressed will then reveal themselves. So it's really much simpler than we make it to be. But when the fear takes over. We start to believe in what didn't work in the past.
And it's certainly not gonna work now, but we have to actually prepare ourself by preparing through simulation the readiness to be able to execute correctly when you have to go. Correct. It would be the same thing like on a podcast. I mean, you just don't show up and turn the, the microphone on. I mean, there's a very deliberate readiness process that you go through.
That allows you to control the pacing and the outcome. You're not leaving this blindly up to circumstances to deliver on the highest promise possible. I just really feel like your confidence is demonstrating to yourself that you can do it because you rehearsed it. And then you realize when I have to execute this in real time, and I'm not gonna deviate from what I know needs to go.
[00:24:42] Hala: Yeah.
So let's talk about legacy.
Legacy is really important. And a lot of people think that legacy is something that happens after you die. And it's just like, however, your life turned out, that's your legacy. But you say that you should think about your legacy from the start. Talk to us about why that's important.
[00:24:58] Dr. Jeff Spencer: Whether we like it or not, every one of us is gonna leave a legacy that will be available to everybody on this planet to look at and study for all of eternity, what we do with our time and what we do with our talents.
And there are no redos on that once it's over, it's over. And I feel like we really need to think about this idea of imortality. I know that that doesn't occur to people, but you know, once you get into your late forties, you start thinking about stuff like this. There's something that transcends us. That lives on and it will impact people.
And that is what we did because what we did, you can't go back and erase that you can't modify it at a certain point. And I really feel like at the end of the day, we should walk off the field for the final time saying there's nothing more that I could have possibly done in this creation to make any further contribution, because I had the courage to show up and do what I was called to do faithfully.
Wherever that goes, I'm okay with that, but I certainly didn't leave anything on the field. I gave it everything that I had and I feel that that's a really important statement that we all have to reconcile it at some point in our life, generally end of the second half here.
And here's what I would say also is that my greatest achievement is the adoption of our daughter at the age of 10, from Columbia.
We adopted a 10 year old from Columbia at the age of 10, I was 58. I was at the height of my career at that time. And I was called to make the decision that I was gonna raise our daughter and our daughter. Number one, she didn't speak English. We didn't speak Spanish. We had no language. She had no school.
She had PTSD and ADHD from getting beaten up and worse for the first 10 years of her life. It it's your fricking nightmare. Every second of her life is your worst nightmare. And I chose to raise my daughter. At the height of my career. And it's like, I don't feel like I gave anything up. People say, well, look what you gave up.
No, I didn't give up anything. Our job was to manifest a human potential, not just like to save a life and what I did give here. And what I learned from this was more worth anything that I've ever previously done at all, because I learned that you can love anybody. You don't need a special reason. You just show up and you do it, it isn't a, a two way street, make it a one way street.
You deal without any reciprocation or reciprocal expectation whatsoever. I also learned to trust the process. I'm basically fearless because when we adopted or it took everything that we had. To be able to provide for the extraordinary needs that she had to give her a chance to get herself back into the game of life.
And I didn't save anything for my retirement for 10 years, between 58 and 68, because my commitments to us to raising our daughter and do whatever was necessary. And.
I also realize that you always have enough energy to do anything on behalf of others, where if you're called into service, there's always gonna be enough energy.
You know, where the energy gets sparse is where we're doing everything in our own self-interest or we're in such fear of loss that we kind of worry our life and our energy away. And the other thing that I will say is that if you think anything you say and do as relates to this topic, a legacy. When we adopted her daughter, man, she'd never been hugged, never been loved.
She used to wrap her legs around me and bury her head into my chest. And I just hold her, you know? And it's like, she hung on my every word. So what I wanna say to everybody is that if you think what you do and what you say and how you show up, doesn't matter, adopt a kid because everything that you do in life does have some level of impact that calls people to something.
And when you take the high road and you're manifestly committed to that, where there is no negotiation on that. Your life takes on an entirely different level of purpose and meaning. And the last thing I'll say about this is that you never withhold the possibility of a miracle because that's what it took us to be able to help our daughter get to a point to get beyond what she did not ask for in life that was imposed upon her by other people.
And so that's why legacy is important to me. At the end of the day, we do have an imortality that will be there. That will say something of tremendous value to people, but, you know, please don't make it. Like my dad, my dad was the genius that could have, but didn't, and he can't go back and redeem himself.
His, uh, moniker, his tagline is don't be like me. It's tragic for me to have to say that, but we do make our own choices. And if we can't do it for ourselves, let's just make sure we do it for other people. So other people. At least have a, a template they can look at that's inspirational to them to be able to step into the unknown with confidence and certainty with a certain amount of reckless abandon to what we think that we probably need, which you probably need to get rid of if you're gonna live the greatest life possible.
So that's kind of what I would have to answer the legacy question with
[00:30:02] Hala: beautiful responseWhat is the name of your daughter? What's her name? Ken.
[00:30:07] Dr. Jeff Spencer: K I N. And how old is she? She'll be 24 in
[00:30:10] Hala: October.
And how's she doing now? Just curious, like, what is she up to?
[00:30:15] Dr. Jeff Spencer: She's a miracle because I knew that when she graduated from college, she didn't speak any English.
We didn't speak Spanish. There was no language. I mean, think about that. Come to America at 10 and you don't have any language and you don't have any school. What are you gonna do with that? And so, because she has a beautiful brain, you know, God put a beautiful brain inside of her and we saw that and we knew.
Our job was again to manifest a potential, not to save a life that we did we had to do so that she could live her life with the normal crap that all of us have to deal with day in and day out, but find your way beyond the stuff that you didn't ask for. And so we couldn't be more proud of, of her for what she has done, but have been gifted with the opportunity to play that role in her life.
[00:30:59] Hala: Amazing.
So let's move on to the last step in preparation, which is around resources. I think this is very important often kind of neglected. So what should we consider when we think about resources and aside from the obvious stuff like money,
[00:31:15] Dr. Jeff Spencer: well, resources are externally important and inventory should be taken other resources before you actively start pursuing your goal.
An adequate resource inventory is directly tied to your level of confidence. And as you're confident and you trust in your preparation, then your anxiety drops. And as your anxiety drops, you're gonna be a much better performer. Your timing is gonna be superior, which is what we need to be able to get our goal aspiration launched correctly, to gain initial momentum, to gradually pick up the steam where we get into bleed, that we can actually do it that transforms to knowing that we could do.
To being able to complete the goal itself. When I look at, uh, the resources that we need and it, it doesn't need to be enough for the entire project. It needs to be enough to get started with responsibly. So what do we need? Well, we need time and energy for sure. We need materials and supplies. Absolutely.
We need skills and knowledge. Yep. We also need a team. We got the right team. Yep. Do we have a plan? Yep. I mean, do we have the financial resources to at least initially get this started? All of those have to be answered in the affirmative to again, be in trust. And when we're in trust again, anxiety drops.
Confidence is. And that's the way that you want to always actively start pursuing your goal.
I have observed though that many people are extraordinarily deficient and lax in their attention to resources. They feel like, well, if I don't get going now as quickly as possible, then it means I don't trust the universe to provide when it should.
Therefore, the universe is gonna take away from me that privilege. It's not gonna support me because I don't have enough faith in. Or somebody's gonna jump in line. So I gotta get going now because I'm afraid that, uh, I'll get pushed to the back of the line. I mean, none of that is true. That's all mythology, but yet that's the way the human mindset thinks about this type of stuff, because it's basically a catastrophizer.
And that's why when we do our homework again through the homework first, and then the test is easy. Why we always want to do that so that we can check off and trust that we have adequate resources to get started. Something most people don't do.
I love this conversation. We are getting so many good tips around how we can prepare for our goals
[00:33:36] Hala: ,
I wanna talk about what happens when we actually start taking action.
You've got phases like the honeymoon phase and the daily grind phase, which you mentioned earlier. Can you talk to us about the different stages of performance and what we need to
[00:33:47] Dr. Jeff Spencer: know?
I feel that we need to have a clear understanding of what the different stages of progress that we will be going through.
From starting to pursue our goal to the achievement of our goal. The very first phase of this is what I call start. And when we get to a point where we have the preparation readiness and we know it because it's been vetted, it's extremely important that you have a thoroughly vetted and rehearsed starting procedure to make sure that you get out of the gate cleanly and you hit an early objective.
That confirms that goal progress is now up and running and underway. Like let's say you take a horse in the Kentucky Derby that's favor to win. Well, it, it trips out of the gate because it hasn't practiced its starting procedure. Then the horse that should have won gets last. And it's exactly the same thing for us.
So please make sure that you have a well organized and rehearsed starting process. That ends in a certain achievement, an objective that demonstrates that goal pursuit now is actually formally up and underway.
[00:35:00] Hala: Can you give a, a concrete example of that? Just to be super
[00:35:03] Dr. Jeff Spencer: clear? Yeah, I absolutely can. So let's say that the initiative of a goal launch would be to have our first five figure month, $10,000.
So that's the target. I mean, that's not the goal, but that's the first target. We know that if we had 10,000 a month, this is for real, it's like, we're no longer talking about this. Like this is for real in why having that target and declaring that target in advance is important is because when you hit it, it confirms that the preparation was correct.
It also confirms that the leadership that created the preparation processes were correct and should be followed. It also gives the team confidence that we can actually do this. You always wanna start off on a positive win that doesn't need to be big. That confirms that we're actually in process and moving forward.
So once we've hit that liftoff point, then we move into what I call the honeymoon phase. The honeymoon phase is where, okay, now we hit this lift off. We have this confirmation we're now at, uh, you know, 10,000 a month. This means it's gonna be smooth sailing to the winter circle. Well, hold on a second. It doesn't really mean that it means that we just gotten out of the gate smoothly.
And so the honeymoon phase is that when everybody's hyper excited, then they go out and they become very sloppy and relaxed about scheduling. They don't look at their policies. They may start overspending certain things. You see this in startups all the time, where they're not even making any money and then they're going out and spending all this raise money on stuff that doesn't matter because they already think that they're in the winter circle.
So it's a complete abuse of the honeymoon, but we know that when we're in a honeymoon, there's always, uh, the opportunity for reckless choices that can really hurt. at some point the honeymoon is gonna wear off because they all do. And when the honeymoon wears off and you feel like there's a loss in momentum or enthusiasm, that doesn't mean that it's the wrong planner.
You can't do it. That's supposed to happen. It means you're now living in reality. It's actually something that you actually wanna see. Because that level of enthusiasm cannot cure you forever. It's not possible. So we need to be aware of that because if we're not aware that the honeymoon is supposed to wear off when the motivation drops and we all think, oh, bad plan, bad management, maybe I should get out while I have at least some resources left.
Really bad idea. Misinterpretation of the, of the, uh, circumstances completely.
What I will say also is that the next phase of this, once we get beyond the, uh, honeymoon phase and we have our reality check where we reconcile things, we get things back on track, then we may think, well, okay, now we've made this huge correction.
Now I know we can do it. Well, you kind of don't because the next thing coming is gonna be the daily grind. And this is where your plan is now facing reality for the very first time. Prior to that, it's been a conjecture, a hypothesis or a presumption, but it's never been fully tested. We know that whatever the weaknesses are in our preparation will surface during the honeymoon phase.
That's what it's for. It's supposed to reveal to us what we don't know that we need to know so that we can get it. It's not a sign that we were behind, or it was a bad choice, even though people will oftentimes misinterpret it as that and quit premature. It's something that we have to anticipate showing up.
So here's the promise in the data grind phase.
If you're looking at the right metrics and you've got the right plan and you got the metrics to confirm that you're making progress, you're gonna get up one day and you're gonna get up and believe that you can do it. Like, you know what? I really now believe I can do it. If he can do it, then I can do it.
There's no difference
. But then we need to go. Believing we can do it to knowing we can do it. It's different. So when I was working Dave Asbury at Bulletproof, helping him build Bulletproof, I said, look, Dave, we both believe that Bulletproof can be really big, but we need to now know that we can do it.
What do we need to do, do to go from believing to knowing said what we need more inventory and we need more people at the higher levels in the marketing department said, well, what is it gonna take to do that? Said probably a couple million dollars. So we, you know, you know, all the guys in Silicon valley, you go up there and raise that, let's get this done.
So we did it, got it done. And at that point, Dave and I both knew that, uh, Bulletproof is gonna be worth hundreds of millions of dollars, which approved itself to be. And we did kind of declare what it is that we needed to get to take us from belief to knowing that's a really essential step here.
Then there's the final step that puts us into the winter circle.
please, everybody listen up. until you get to the winner's circle. You're not there yet. And if you trip before you get there and don't cross the line, then you don't win.
when you see that it's possible and probable that you're gonna be able to achieve your goal. Don't try to speed up to try to get to the finish line faster to enjoy the chocolate cake and the champagne waiting at the finish line. Because it's never over until it's over. And I've seen people trip at the last second and screw things up, never to eventually get past the finish line.
[00:40:14] Dr. Jeff Spencer: Please do not do that. Or don't try to control things so much thinking that you're being safe because sometimes when you slow things down way too much, you start to daydream. You think the safety is in the speed. It's not, if you're going too slow and you start to daydream, then you're at equal hazard as if you're going way too fast.
So don't change your pace. Keep your pace. Be vigilant. Keep your eye on the ball, keep executing what has to go right until you're way beyond the finish line. And once you be on the finish line, then you can celebrate in victory circle.
So as long as we're aware that there are these five different steps and stages that we go through from active pursuit of goal to arrival in the winter circle, and we can name where we are, and we know what that means, then that's our safety net for sticking together and working together as a well organized coherent team.
That can get things done most efficiently and get us into the winner circle at least time and effort and expense.
[00:41:08] Hala: This is great. I have a question for you. Do you think that every goal is possible or do you think that there are some signs that should be like abort mission? You should stop, you should quit or do you feel like anything is possible with the right preparation and plan?
[00:41:24] Dr. Jeff Spencer: Well, I think again, if we look at plans of preparation, That's not really reality what it is. It's our best estimate about what we presume reality to be and what we presume the path to get from where we are to, where we wanna get to is it's not reality. Reality is when our plan meets real time and at that point, then we can make the adjustments necessary to carry momentum forward.
So I think we have to be really mindful about that. Plans by their inherent nature designed to change and goals that we have are meant to be modified based upon the reality of the opportunities that present themselves in process. But the human mindset that I said, that human way of thinking that doesn't service well, it will make us think, well, if you've declared a goal, you have to keep your word by maintaining.
The original goal as stated, otherwise you're going back on your word and that's not true at all. Never because all the greatest goals always happen like by accident, where there are a bit of a deviation that comes off, something that we presume to be true. But now we found out that it was slightly different, but we had the courage to recognize that we were being gifted with a different direction.
That could take us to a bigger, better, faster that we could not have conceived of in advance. So that's how I would answer that question. And I do feel that if you find yourself being in blind faith, doing something with the hope that it will take you to the finish line, don't do it because unless there's a body of evidence that confirms to you, the probability of moving forward will manifest the completion of the next step.
Then I would suggest that you don't do it because I feel far too often. People believe that I'm a person in my word. Therefore, I have to stick rigidly to something that I declared. And if I don't do that, then my word can't be trusted. That is absolutely not true because the plan and what you proposed to be true was an estimate based on a presumed reality.
And that the presumed reality is like, don't do this like now, then I would suggest that you heed that. And I do feel that in our lifespan development, there is a natural period of our life where we are big dreamers. But, you know, my hope is, is that we don't invest too much in a dream that has too many reasons that are informing us.
It's either not the right time to pursue it, or we're not properly prepared or maybe there's not the right fit because we don't have the assets actually to do this. So I'm a little bit kind of cautious on all of these absolutes. I feel that they need to be tempered with an interpretation of the reality as it currently exists at the moment in time where.
While you're making decisions.
[00:44:09] Hala: exactly what I hoped you were gonna kind of go off on, because I feel like people are so attached to like that one outcome. Like I wanna be a famous NBA player. And so few people achieve that goal, but really maybe they just wanna be somebody who inspires other people And it's really not about playing basketball. It's the impact that they're making on the world.
[00:44:32] Dr. Jeff Spencer: Yeah. And I have something to say to that if I may, is that like, you know, my definition of a champion is a manifestor of gifts. Like if you're manifesting your gifts and you're a fricking champion, in my opinion, because you know, here's, what I do know is that there's only one of us in all the creation.
There's, there's never gonna be another you. I mean, think about that. There's seven and a half billion people on this planet right now. And there's only one of you. And what that means is is that each and every one of us has a unique capacity to influence humanity in a way that nobody else can do it. The question is, is.
Can we live within that and can be okay with that because here's the reality. Some people are meant to have the aspiration of influencing a billion people. Yeah. There are some people that are not meant to do that. They can't even think about that. They wanna look through a microscope, an electron microscope.
They want to influence a nano, they can't think in terms of billions, does that make it any less significant? No, it does not because everything that happens is the product of every other thing that's happening in the world like simultaneously. So I think we're the problem because we assign the value to what we believe to be true, that I don't think represents what it really is.
For example, a teammate. May enable the team star to get the MVP, but was the MVP more valuable than the person that gave the MVP what they needed to do their job correctly? You can't say that that's true. It's not every one of us. I think that we should look at team is like a linkage rather than a hub with spokes.
It's a linkage where each of the links in the chain, someone that possesses that spot. Their unique contribution contributes to the integrity of the whole. Therefore the output capacity of the team is the sum total of all the parts, which you can't really separate. One being more important than the other, because in a certain sense, it's really not.
And I feel that far too often, the rule is people dramatically discount the value of what they do because they're comparing themselves against everybody else's yard stick. And I don't think that we should be doing that. There's only one of us. If we take ownership of what we're best at, we're passionate about what we're doing and we're giving tremendous value to humanity.
We're honoring our gifts. We're showing other people what's possible. We're saying thank you to those people that helped us while we're creating those things that are unique to us, to me, that's the champion. The champion is not the hyper achiever that mows everybody down and the process to get what he wants.
That's a self-serving narcissist in my opinion. So there's this whole other definition that I think that we need to encourage each other to pursue, which is our uniqueness and our unique gifts
[00:47:15] Hala: that is super inspiring. Dr. Spencer, this whole conversation has been amazing. So I'm gonna wrap the interview up with a couple questions that I ask all my guests, and then we do something fun at the end of the year with them.
So the first one is what is one actionable thing that my young and profits can do today to be more profiting tomorrow.
[00:47:33] Dr. Jeff Spencer: I would say, what is the skill that you need to build, that you don't have what you need.
[00:47:38] Hala: Okay. And what is your secret to profiting in life?
[00:47:42] Dr. Jeff Spencer: I can be absolutely explicitly clear on this number one, the reason why I made an Olympic team, I showed my art and the best galleries in New York city.
Why I've worked with some of the greatest politic achievers of our time is that I was fearless in showing up and answering the call. When me, Jeff. Gets the insight. And I get the calling to show up and do something I'm fearless about doing that. And so I'm not particularly ambitious about creating something to grandstand and showcase myself, cuz I don't care about that.
I do though care deeply about being able to answer the call, that if I have been called into service to do anything like adopting my daughter, I will show up faithfully and fearlessly to execute that to the nth degree.
[00:48:25] Hala: Amazing. where can everybody learn more about you and what you do?
[00:48:29] Dr. Jeff Spencer: Probably the best place, IST period, me slash champions experience.
That's my, uh, telegram and that's where I kind of post what I'm doing and what I'm up to. That would be by far the best place to go, to see where I am and what I'm up to next. Awesome. We're
[00:48:48] Hala: gonna stick that link in the show notes. Thank you so much, Dr. Spencer. It was a pleasure. Well,
[00:48:53] Dr. Jeff Spencer: I can't say enough for the opportunity be well, remember everybody there's always room at the top for the best be well, we'll talk.
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